BE A MAN AND LEAVE THIS COMMENT UP.

JESUS CHRIST HAS REMOVED HIS BLESSING FROM AMERICA BECAUSE OF YOU AMERINAZIS. YOU CAN’T MURDER PEOPLE TO STEAL THEIR OIL, THEN LIE ABOUT IT! YOU DON’T THINK YOU’RE GOING TO HELL FOR THAT?

http://www.deanberryministries.org/index3.html

You tell 'em, Dean.

Did you notice where Jesus put that blessing after he removed it, by the way?

Note that McCarthy has been officially charged with nothing and officially identified as the leaker by no one. I could as easily believe that the trunk spooks wanted a scapegoat, scanned the list of donk donors, came up with McCarthy and leaked her name to the press.

People are sent to hell for leaving the All Caps key on.

Mrs. Davis,

It's true. Things can always be the opposite of what one would believe. We'll see what else happens . . .

Dear God, Mrs. Davis...

Happens all the time. It is a great idea to fire someone, then charge them, then prosecute them - in the open court system we enjoy...

I know they haven't charged her - that is coming.
I know they haven't prosecuted her - that is coming...

Soon enough, not soon enough

Dean Berry,

Just two comments on your website:

1. Work on it a little more before you go public with the site. It really is a crappy piece of web design.
2. Please remove the name of Jesus Christ from your deranged rantings. That makes it blasphemous and highly offensive to many. Of course, it could [be that your intent is to be offensive, which compounds the blasphemy.

And BTW, telling Chester to "Be a man"? Did you have any doubts?

[Side note to Chester: I know, I know, don't feed 'em. I just couldn't help myself.

Or,

Sweet Mary pleads out and rats on a whole bunch of other moles and 'sleeper cells' of democrat political activists playing foot loose and fancy free with confidential and classified information.

Firing McCarthy does not require prosecution. As a condition of employment, CIA and other government employees are forbidden from unauthorized disclosure of classified information. Additionally, federal employees in general, and employees of certain agencies including the CIA, are forbidden by law from engaging in certain political activities, per the Hatch Act. McCarthy failed a polygraph exam (another CIA condition of employment), then admitted providing classified information to the press. The leaked information was used for arguably political purposes.

Terminating her employment for any of these violations is an automatic. Trial and punishment is a different matter and, as was pointed out above, may be yet to come. It takes time, after all, to prepare a legal case.

If McCarthy was fired because of Hatch Act violations, she may have an appeal channel available. As to appealing the unauthorized disclosure of classified information, I suspect that her hope for reversing that would have to be a successful trial defense.

I'wondering now if there will be any trial. It seems a trial would likely result in either:

a) McCarthy tarnishing the gov't yet again by detailing the secret prisons which she is suspected to have discussed with the WaPo, or

b) McCarthy attempting to tarnish the gov't as mentioned above, then being rebutted by the gov't, who will claim that there never were secret prisons, and these were fabrications merely to find her. In this case, it seems McCarthy could claim some form of entrapment, but at that point my legal knowledge breaks down.

Either way, it seems a trial would be further embarassing to the United Statess. Perhaps though, some would want to run that risk in the short run in order to achieve the longer-term goal of fewer intelligence leaks to the media.

Just thinking out loud here . . . we'll see what else happens.

Mrs. Davis:
What is the significance of the reports that she admitted to the crime?

Dean:
God said he needs to have a word with you. Apparently s/he is upset about you taking over, and thinks you may have misinterpreted a couple things. Whatever, just be open to suggestions when she speaks with you.
Can you meet God outside the White House a bit later, after that regular Sunday conversation s/he has with with George W?
Thanks

I'm not up on the details of this leak in particular, but if the government was involved in anything illegal, I would be very supportive of any person who exposed this activity, regardless of their political affiliation. I (vainly) hope that truth and justice will be served, whether the CIA was involved in illegal activity, or McCarthy was, or both (in the case of the latter, it would appear unfortunate if treason would be charged against someone who blows the whistle on illegal activity).



Scott

Is this all still in the realm of leaks and anonymous sources? Has any named or official CIA source spoken up?

At this point it could all be smear. Fire somebody who appears to have links to the enemy, the Democratic Party. Make up reasons and announce them. Nobody will know the reasons are fake except the real leakers (who won't tell) and the guys who made up the story (who won't tell).

Oh well. There was a time -- onlyl about 4 years ago -- when foreign governments weren't deeply embarrassed to be found cooperating with the CIA.

Portadown. One word. Otherwise excellent.

Thanks, holdfast. I wasn't sure how to transliterate that.

Lay off me, Dean. I mean it this time.

We don't have to be infiltrated anymore, their already in their places and ready to go. The CIA and the Democratic party.

I'm not up on the details of this leak in particular, but if the government was involved in anything illegal, I would be very supportive of any person who exposed this activity, regardless of their political affiliation.

Boghus:

You're so typical of the modern American (and the average German of 70 years ago).

Less-than-perfect web design? Is that all you walked away with?

You're very shallow, hardly an asset to this great nation of ours. It's no wonder we're headed for military dictatorship. You're too much of an airhead to see there's a problem.

People like you shame our forefathers.

In Jesus' Glorious and Holy name,
Dean Berry - Real American

Boghus:

You're so typical of the modern American (and the average German of 70 years ago).

Less-than-perfect web design? Is that all you walked away with?

You're very shallow, hardly an asset to this great nation of ours. It's no wonder we're headed for military dictatorship. You're too much of an airhead to see there's a problem.

People like you shame our forefathers.

In Jesus' Glorious and Holy name,
Dean Berry - Real American

Dean,

I commented on your web design first, because, frankly, that was the nicest thing I could possibly say.

As far as, "You're too much of an airhead to see there's a problem." I see a problem. I see a number of problems, in fact. The particular problem I am looking at is the large number of fools and zealots of one religion or another who are so positive that God is speaking directly to them and that anyone who disagrees them is offending them. You, sit, seem to typify that particular insanity.

Should you wish to participate in rational discussion of issues and values, you will find you are welcomed into conversation. But keep on the way you are starting and you will find yourself shunned and marginalized, except by the lunatic fringe.

And by the way, your words are most definitely NOT in Jesus' name. They are your own vicious screed. Own up to them and take responsibility for your own words.

Dean,

I commented on your web design first, because, frankly, that was the nicest thing I could possibly say.

As far as, "You're too much of an airhead to see there's a problem." I see a problem. I see a number of problems, in fact. The particular problem I am looking at is the large number of fools and zealots of one religion or another who are so positive that God is speaking directly to them and that anyone who disagrees them is offending them. You, sit, seem to typify that particular insanity.

Should you wish to participate in rational discussion of issues and values, you will find you are welcomed into conversation. But keep on the way you are starting and you will find yourself shunned and marginalized, except by the lunatic fringe.

And by the way, your words are most definitely NOT in Jesus' name. They are your own vicious screed. Own up to them and take responsibility for your own words.

I looked at Dean's website. I realize that any yahoo can start up a "ministry" and he has no apprent credentials.

He also doesn't know much about Hitler. For example, there was no Fatherland Security organization. And Germany was notable not for a unified security apparatus but a number of competing organizations including the Gestapo, the Sicherheitsdienst, the national police, the order police, the Abwehr, etc.

Hitler did not "inundate Poland with Vodka." There is no source for this ludicrous statement. Vodka, a potato based alcohol, has long been popular in Eastern Europe. And the Polish Army and nation resisted Hitler valiantly both during his conventional invasion and in the form of guerilla activities under the auspices of the Armia Krajowa. So anything he did to destabilize the Polish nation did not work.

Idiot suggests we put Saddam in power, but he's gotten his facts wrong again. Saddam brought himself to power through a coup in 1979, though he had significant power since '68 when the Ba'ath party came to power. The criticism is that we supported Saddam with arms and material during the 1980s, which is true, but given the threat of Iranian hegemony is at least a defensible policy on the merits.

Dean says the following, " majority of Germans
scorned them for standing up to Hitler and couldn’t wait to turn them in to the SS. And to the north a few decades later, the Soviet dissidents found themselves up against a brainwashed populace . . ." The Soviet Union is to the East of Germany. Look at a map sometime. How can someone who errs on this most basic matter of geography be taken seriously on anything having to do with politics, history, and world affairs.

In short, Dean, you've shown yourself to be an uneducated man who is loony beyond measure. You should be either in a mental institution or working as one of those token mentally challenged hires at Wal-Mart. Quit wasting the time of intelligent people.

Chester,

Given the nature of Mary's leaks, her friends, and her friends political connections to the International Socialist movement (if you believe the news on talk radio today as I tend to do), and the remarkable degree of coordination of the CIA related anti-war movement, should someone be investigating the question of whether there is a deeper and darker alegiance at play here? It may all be innocent political ignorance, but if China or Russia had agents of influencce, this is the sort of mischief they would be expected to engage in. Since the security clearance system did not stop this, I hope the counter intel people don't just ignor it.

drmcconnell,

I think that is a distinct possibility, but since there's absolutely no way whatsoever to verify it, I hestitate to even speculate, for fear of sinking into conspiracy-land. Nevertheless, good thinking.

Given McCarthy's meteoric rise, this is exactly the question we should be asking. Soviet Russian operations against an opposing intelligence agencie did not solely focus of penetration for information's sake, but with the eventual goal of assuming control of that agency. Recruited moles were served successes on a platter, thus ensuring promotion. Moles in the agency were given instructions to promote other moles. And more successes followed.

Angleton's predictions were borne out. All of them. His theory of "prefect deception" was publicly realized when Robert Hanssen was caught. High level penetrations of both the intelligence and counter-intelligence insured that the Russians could perfectly adjust any of their own disinformation and parry any CIA operation against Russia. Under this model, the CIA would literally become worse than useless to the United States.

Angleton and his crew were banished in the mid-1970s. As a country, we cannot afford to look away any longer.

Given McCarthy's meteoric rise, this is exactly the question we should be asking. Soviet Russian operations against an opposing intelligence agencie did not solely focus of penetration for information's sake, but with the eventual goal of assuming control of that agency. Recruited moles were served successes on a platter, thus ensuring promotion. Moles in the agency were given instructions to promote other moles. And more successes followed.

Angleton's predictions were borne out. All of them. His theory of "prefect deception" was publicly realized when Robert Hanssen was caught. High level penetrations of both the intelligence and counter-intelligence insured that the Russians could perfectly adjust any of their own disinformation and parry any CIA operation against Russia. Under this model, the CIA would literally become worse than useless to the United States.

Angleton and his crew were banished in the mid-1970s. As a country, we cannot afford to look away any longer.

Given McCarthy's meteoric rise, this is exactly the question we should be asking. Soviet Russian operations against an opposing intelligence agencie did not solely focus of penetration for information's sake, but with the eventual goal of assuming control of that agency. Recruited moles were served successes on a platter, thus ensuring promotion. Moles in the agency were given instructions to promote other moles. And more successes followed.

Angleton's predictions were borne out. All of them. His theory of "prefect deception" was publicly realized when Robert Hanssen was caught. High level penetrations of both the intelligence and counter-intelligence insured that the Russians could perfectly adjust any of their own disinformation and parry any CIA operation against Russia. Under this model, the CIA would literally become worse than useless to the United States.

Angleton and his crew were banished in the mid-1970s. As a country, we cannot afford to look away any longer.

What's that? You DEMAND to know my views? Well ... since you insist - although you could have asked more politely. I was provoked into formulating an opinion on the traitors, and posted it here:

http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com/2006/04/revealers.html

The excerpt specific to McCarthy is"

"Whistle-blowing is a public act. It calls attention to wrongful action. It is the act of a strong conscience. Whether it’s the rape-whistle that calls for help, or the referee’s whistle that calls a rule-violation, it is designed to stop malfeasance.

"Ms. McCarthy’s blowing was not an act of conscience. Her job -- one of supreme trust -- involved an understanding of the fact and need of secrecy. Secret is not bad, in itself -- it is necessary, sometimes. It was not her place, to unilaterally decide what the greatest good might be in this case. Her position was one of subordination, and effectively one of military discipline -- since American soldiers will die because of her fat mouth and stupid brain. Act of conscience? No, rather, her act was a partisan ploy, a cowardly, skulking, secret betrayal of whatever integrity one might otherwise have imputed to her -- done for the sake of bringing disapprobation upon an Administration she works against."

I go on, quite violently actually, but there it is.

J

Jack, just out of curiousity, what was it about this particular leak that will get US soldiers killed?

Scott,

There are well established policies and procedures in place for those in positions of access to classified information who, if they are concerned about the legality of said classified information, can follow for remedying the situation they are concerned about. A grand total of ZERO of those policies and procedures involve passing any information to the media.

They know damned well that they can go to the Intel Committees of the House or Senate. They can go to the White House. They can seek out a relevant federal judge. In other words, they can look to the legislative, executive or judicial branches for assistance. Since the media is not a fourth branch of our government, despite their obvious yearnings and attempts to be, going to them with this information, let alone FIRST, is a serious breach of their fiduciary duty and should be fully prosecuted.