I think this will be shown in Europe .. I certainly hope so, so those weenies can see the actions of some real American heroes .. I do know for sure that it's playing here, and I'll finally get up the nerve to see it later today

It makes one wonder if our entire enterprise of reforming the Middle East is a fool's errand.

Well, what's the option let the Islamofascists bring their revolution to a theater near you?

Your above comment and then your following statement this country is the greatest thing since sliced bread, and all who wish it harm be damned. are in direct conflict. Thankfully Hollywood doesn't run the country quite yet exactly because they appeal to emotion which impedes logic. The way Republican bloggers and their fans are becoming irrational actors lately led by the illogic and demogoguery of Michelle Malkin it won't be too hard to believe that they will help the darlings of Hollywood-the Democrats return to power.

The Democrats who have signalled that an atom bomb will have o be dropped on CONUS before they'll find America worth the fight.

They certainly didn't think the guys and gals on the USS Cole were American targets. They were described as legitimate targets by the Democratic denizens and pundits. They didn't think that the USS Cole counted as US sovreign territory-it again was somehow excused away and in essence validated by the Democrats as a legitmate target. The US embasssies in Africa were not considered to be truly American targets-and therefore the terrorists did bring it to a theater near you.

Emotional, overwrought Republicans are about to hand the keys right back. The Democrats have signaled that they can't stomache any action that lasts past an election cycle, and Republicans have signaled that they can't prioritze or give a damn about the Armed Forces prosecuting the GWOT.

No-now the Mexican Invasion sponsored by Michelle Malkin is priority one, and illegal immigration not even mentioned during the last Presidential debates or hardly discussed prior to the election has suddenly mushroomed in the past year and a quarter to be worth throwing overboard our military efforts and our Commander in Chief.

Republican bloggers have turned out to be fair-weather, self-interested, treachorous, selfish jerks only interested in staying in Michelle Malkin's pyramid of power. She and her blogger brown nosers are NO FRIENDS TO THE US MILITARY.

It makes one wonder if our entire enterprise of reforming the Middle East is a fool's errand.

Well, what's the option let the Islamofascists bring their revolution to a theater near you?

The obvious alternative to reforming them is to just kill them. Bomb them back to the stone age and kill any who try to walk across the borders out of the no-government area.

A less-obvious alternative is to let them reform themselves. If they get strong nationalist governments or some sort of pan-arab government, either way they'll probably try to flex their muscles until they find out where their limits are. It might take a war or two to establish that. Of course, given the factoid that's been going around about the entire arab non-oil economy being less than spain's they might not be up to much of a conventional war.

The islamists are extremely weak. At the moment they don't have control of a single nation, anywhere. If they get control of all the arab governments they'll have very little besides oil and nukes, and they don't look like they're heading for control in any arab nation -- though we may have been setting things up badly by making it look like they're the only alternative.

So OK,they're extremely weak and they'll be extremely weak even if they get all the arab nations. In that case they could disrupt the oil trade and they could perhaps nuke somebody and get massively retaliated on. They're no way as much a threat as the soviets were, or the chinese are.

To think of the islamists as a big threat, we have to first get emotional about 9/11. They did a small sneak attack that they can't repeat, but it was very ugly and we like to dramatise just how ugly it was. Second, we have to fantasise about them getting nukes. Third we have to fantasise about them being real, real crazy. Then we can fantasise that Republicans will stop them.

It's easier to think they're crazy because they were so mean during 9/11. They made civilians drop to their deaths or burn alive, that kind of thing. Well they weren't thinking about that but they did slaughter a few civilians on airliners plus send them all to their deaths, and they intended a lot of casualties probably without thinking all that much about the details. It was definitely mean. Would they nuke us if they had a nuke? They're mean enough. Are they crazy enough?

Of *course* the Republicans are not real friends to the military. Any more than Democrats are real friends for blacks. Neither side takes much care of the people who'll vote for them anyway.

Political parties don't have friends. Political parties have interests. Republicans want to use the military in any way that will get them votes. Every incumbent, of whatever party, wants military contracts for his state, to bring him votes. But they don't especially care whether those contracts help the military.

Lots of civilians feel sentimental about the military. But unless they've served they don't know much about it. Would we be better off with Universal Military Service? I honestly don't know. The swiss do OK with it but then nobody ever invades them. The israelis do OK but they only fight arabs. Maybe we have no choice but to have a highly professional army that winds up being a pawn to the professional politicians -- who are not very sentimental when the TV cameras are off. I just don't know.

just got done playing a soccer game on belle isle that is on the detroit river between canada's windsor and our motown. out on the field were a bunch of a bunch of soccer weinies from all over the globo. I'm a keeper so I get to scout all of the players and I can say that after reading this:
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/tonykern.htm
and ahnging with these guys it should be noted that the muslims are 70% you and me and 30% nutbag holyrollers that are intractable.
If you also consider that the ghetto areas of the US (there's a few upround here) are filled with barely functional "families", the muslim religion is similar to the Mosiac in that they have a baseline that is above the welfare indolent and along with the catholic Mexicans are rebuilding the run down areas faster than Jesse's minions.
That's how I see the game rolling, its still a meritocracy beneath all the hype and muslims are actually closer to God or Functionalism than the American underclass created by the Great Society.
Our mission is to empower the 70% to assert themselves over the rest and reform Islam. that will be very very difficult is the welfare state makes fomenting revolution impossible if immigrants can just bail over to the US and do better than the eminems.
911 was a result of a long 8 year "let it ride" greed spasm by the moneyed elite of american socialism, or red-capitalism. All the money we shouldve spent against wahhabism is costing triple or more now because we gave it to the clintonistas.
If I were to have been born into an Arab man's world, and I saw how flaccic and pussed out the Americans were in the 90's I probably wouldnt have raised a finger to stop a fellow muslim from doing something stupid. The momentum to get even stupider was never checked?!!
It doesnt mean youre a traitor or a heretic, but building bridges to the muslim mind is our only hope of helping the smart muslims to get the reins. Otherwise we're just going to be throwing our kids into the pit.
But the real point is that the muslims arent automatically our enemy, by a pretty big margin and they should then react just as the former Warsaw Pact if we can get to them with our free society culture.
what else can we do?

I blogged on this myself today (just saw the film), and at the risk of being repetitious (a normal condition for me, I fear), here goes.

my own reaction isn't half as nuanced as ya'll's...The only thing to do is kill the bastards in big bleeding batches, which our soldiers are doing, and keep doing it for as long as it takes.

If what we are doing is insufficient, either at home, Iraq, in Afghanistan, or wherever, then escalate as necessary.

Second attempt...deleted my first comment by mistake.

I just walked out of this too, and am more angry and pissed off than I thought I could still get about this. My reaction's not near so nuanced and well-thought out as ya'll's. Only thing I think we can do is kill them in large batches.

If what we're doing in Iraq, Afghanistan and here's not enough, then escalate.

I don't have any patience for the wrong war crowd on Iraq. We can argue that one later. The fight's there and we should win it.

Blogged just now on this, so some of this is no doubt repetitious, but it needs repeating as often as possible.

oops, I really was repetitious....sorry.

"It makes one wonder if our entire enterprise of reforming the Middle East is a fool's errand."

haven't seen the movie yet, but your statement is assuming that all Arabs are the same - terrorists. They're not. What is happening in Iraq is PROVING that. The people there are rejecting terrorism and Al-qaeda is continuing to get their butts kicked there.

It makes one wonder if our entire enterprise of reforming the Middle East is a fool's errand. -Chester

It was not a fool’s errand. It was a necessary errand.

One might conclude it could have been done more forcefully and with more finality.

It makes one wonder if our entire enterprise of reforming the Middle East is a fool's errand. -Chester

It was not a fool’s errand. It was a necessary errand.

One might conclude it could have been done more forcefully and with more finality.